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THOMAS REINHART's avatar

Great article, I am saving it for future reference as it may become a standard text. At least it deserves so. Of course, being a dyed-in-the-wool old-fashioned liberal, I disagree with many things; I still believe the enlightenment values of human dignity and freedom of thought have universal appeal, as shown by the fact that many patriotic Chinese are happy to bring their money and their offspring away from the party's reach. On the other hand, maybe Spengler was right with his pessimistic view that in the end stage of civilizations there is disenchantment with liberal values and a tendency of the egalitarian masses to flock to "caesarian" rule by a strongman - we can see that in many Western countries, alas!

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So many topics that need to be their own stand alone articles. Perhaps a collection of essays into a book needs to be done. My one critique is that you are taking Rubio far too seriously. He's not an intellectual with a vision, he's just playing one on TV (and in politics). So examining what he says, what it really means or doesn't mean, its connection or lack of connection to reality... He is not interested in any of that. He's just pretending because he thinks it's about power. "full of sound and fury..." Your very earnest big brains are wasted on his dalliances with being power-adjacent. On his own, he will not lead any significant constituency in America to do much of anything. He may be destructively influential right now, but it's his right to claim a bunch of hollow nothing declaring with whatever huffs he can muster. More disturbing is Mark Carney, as Ben Rhodes critiqued during his recent Ezra interview and when he named From the Ruins as a book rec. Here is someone serious but whose principles are at odds and once again displays the foolishness of our efforts at "rule of law" or post-Westphalian whatever notions of civilizational order...some idea where we want conflicts bounded, isolated even, so as not to spread violence with yet more violence that leads to endless justifications over endless wars until one strongman appears to settle all scores by sufficiently scaring the shit out of enough folks that they won't resist. Or just that people are exhausted from their own endless nonsense. This East v West Civilizational comparison stuff is a lot of roostering. No one will win, despite the many ways in which we deconstruct the underlying racism/prejudice/bias/bigotry in play. The more transcendent question is which civilization will provide "the good life" to their citizens? (and to take it further, can we find a path of synergy or win-win, the path of "AND" not "OR") And that question is now being better answered by China in ways that used to display that it was "The West" winning out. UK and USA citizens are now worse off on average, with other EU citizens tottering on the precipice. You know the details. It's quite stunning. China had nothing to do with it. The governments/leaders of "The West" did it to themselves all on their own. Freewill got them there. Let's not forget that "shipping jobs overseas to China" was a choice, an offer, for which "Western Freewill" could have said "no." In any case, you know the entirety of the details. Not disputing there isn't much to discuss about what "civilization" means to East v West and all that you analyze here... just that bringing Rubio into it should be circumstantial. ;)

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