China's Place in the New Post-American International Order

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney’s speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos this week will likely be remembered as one of the most significant orations of the early 21st century. Carney channeled the fear and frustration of many global leaders when he defiantly declared that the U.S.-led international order is over.

The “rupture” that Carney referenced in his address has profound consequences for China as it moves to reshape a part of this new international order to better align with its interests.

Zongyuan Zoe Liu, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a senior research scholar at Columbia University, joins Eric & Cobus to discuss why this is such a pivotal time for China as it moves to become a peer power of the United States, at least economically, without triggering the so-called “Thuycides Trap” that dictates this kind of rivalry often leads to war.

Show Notes:
Foreign Affairs: China’s Long Economic War — How Beijing Builds Leverage for Indefinite Competition by Zongyuan Zoe Liu

Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:30 The collapse of the rules-based international order
01:52 Mark Carney’s speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos
07:25 Introducing the Guest - Zongyuan Zoe Liu
08:13 Zoe’s Reaction to Carney’s Speech
12:47 China’s Reaction to the Speech
13:55 Where China Fits in the New Global Order
18:55 How China’s Rise Changed the Global System
22:52 China and Emerging Markets
29:31 Consumption Power in China and the Global South’s Trust Gap
38:57 “Thuycides Trap”, Credibility and the Debt Trap
47:26 China as a Global Power and a Developing Country
55:56 End of the Interview
56:42 China’s Credibility Gap Issues
01:00:57 Independent Media’s Pushback - China & the U.S. Cases
01:02:29 China’s State Centric Nature
01:04:17 U.S. Softpower Declining
01:08:34 Conclusion

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